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| [[FAQ|Frequently Asked Questions]] | | This is a home for information about how '''[http://soylentnews.org SoylentNews.org]''' was started, and the vision for it. |
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| '''Site Announcements'''
| | ==About SoylentNews.org== |
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| | Welcome to the '''[http://soylentnews.org SoylentNews.org]''' Wiki. |
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| If you are having tech issues with the forum software, please Email Joel: soylent (at) finite (dot) ms
| | We deliver community-sourced news and discussion. This is an, grassroots effort powered by article submissions from our readers, volunteers, and our forked version of [https://github.com/SoylentNews/slashcode slashcode] called [https://github.com/SoylentNews/rehash 'Rehash']. We highlight stories on the web which are important to everyone - especially nerds. We also provide a soapbox for discussion moderated by the site's patrons, and allow anonymous discourse as there's no mandatory registration needed to comment. |
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| It's not certain whether we will be able to rollout on Monday as planned, but it's not out of the question either. Expect a rollout status update, late Monday
| | We are mindful of community sentiment, and will not bend to overreaching corporate agenda. The goal is to be an excellent source for discussion and news about technology, art, science and politics. |
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| The slashcode group has been working very hard to get things up and running. SlashCode is 5 years old, heavily dependent on older revs (Apache, Perl, MySQL), and ran as root
| | We've incorporated as a Delaware Public Benefit Corporation (similar to a non-profit) as we feel our mission to provide a platform for news dissemination and relevant discussion is not only essential for mankind, but also a legal right (i.e. freedom of press, freedom of speech) in some places, and these are liberties which we aim to protect. |
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| Check out the [http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=16688| look and feel] of the new site!
| | Though the site is young and there are [https://github.com/SoylentNews/rehash/issues bugs], we are improving and adapting to satisfy the community's needs. We look forward to pushing the boundaries of web experience and are committed to involving the community on all major decisions. |
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| | ==Get Involved== |
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| | This project is run entirely by the community and there are many ways to contribute. Here are some of the many ways to participate: |
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| We have a '''temporary''' name!
| | *'''[http://soylentnews.org/submit.pl Submit a Story]''' |
| | ** Try joining the #rss-bot channel in [[SoylentNews:IRC|IRC]] for story ideas |
| | *'''Volunteer''' |
| | ** Get in touch with the '''[[Development|Development Team]]''', especially if you know perl |
| | ** Reach out to one of the other '''[[TeamPages|Teams]]''' (we have openings for many skill sets) |
| | ** Contact the relevant person: '''[[WhosWho| Who's Who?]]''' |
| | *Hop on to '''IRC:''' |
| | ** #Soylent on irc.soylentnews.org/6697 |
| | ** [https://chat.soylentnews.org/ Webchat] |
| | ** [[SoylentNews:IRC|IRC Wiki Page]] |
| | *'''Bugs''' and Features: |
| | ** [https://github.com/SoylentNews/rehash/issues/new Submit a bug or Feature Request] |
| | ** [[Suggestions|Add a Suggestion]] - larger projects to tackle for the future |
| | *'''Tell Somebody''' A friend, a colleague, any major news source.... |
| | ** Do what you can to [[Spreading the word|get the word out]] |
| | ** You could participate in [[The_Slashcott|The Slashcott]] |
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| Thanks go out to everyone who made suggestions - some of them were
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| absolutely brilliant! For example, it hadn't occurred to me to choose a name based on a
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| non-English word, or a palindrome, or a puzzle. Many of the entries were quite clever.
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| (Adies, it took me more than a day to figure yours out. Bravo!)
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| I won't post the runners up because squatters might take the names before we hold the real
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| contest. We'll figure out a way to prevent this somehow - at worst case we can choose judges
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| and do it privately (like I did, but with more people).
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| Jerry had the winning entry.
| | == Useful Links == |
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| The temp name is: '''SoylentNews''' with the tagline: '''SoylentNews is people!'''
| | *[[Submission guidelines]] - best practices for story submissions |
| | *[[Story Style]] - a guide for editors on article formatting |
| | *[[Development]] team page |
| | **[https://github.com/SoylentNews/rehash Code Repo] - The Slashcode fork repository for this project on GitHub |
| | ** <strike>[[DevelopmentVMHowto]] - How to get our code setup in a VM</strike> |
| | ** [[SlashDocumentationIndex]] |
| | *[[UserExperience]] team page |
| | **[[Style]] - some of this info needs to be merged/moved/organized into/with [[UserExperience]] |
| | **[[CssWork]] |
| | * [[SystemAdministration|System Administration]] |
| | *[[Finances]] - Breakdown of our proposed spending |
| | *[[Licensing]] - ideas about which license to use for our slashcode fork |
| | *[[Staff_Meetings|Staff Meeting Logs]] |
| | *[[SoylentNews_PBC|SoylentNews PBC]] |
| | *[[SoylentNews_Site_Policy|SoylentNews Policy]] |
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| Does this rock? It hits the trifecta of website goodness:
| | == Similar Projects == |
| | * [http://pipedot.org/ Pipedot] - A complete re-write that uses a modern codebase and sports a clean look |
| | * Usenet newsgroup comp.misc - [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.misc on Google Groups], [http://squte.com/ on Squte], [news:comp.misc via newsreader application] |
| | * [http://technocrat.net/ Technocrat] - (now defunt) News site presented by Bruce Perens |
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| * Descriptive in a way that mundanes will understand (compare "photoshop" with "gimp", "Internet Explorer" with "Firefox", and "MediaPlayer" with "VLC")
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| * It's part of Nerd culture, a pun, and slightly twisted
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| * It's suggestive of being community driven
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| * It is attached to some movie about eating corpses and implies "News fresh as processed corpses" (??)
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| * Trademark issues
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| This will be a hard act to beat. Start thinking up names for the contest, or throw your weight
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| behind this one. The contest will be held soon after we open the doors.
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| (And it was poutine (from IRC) who suggested we use a temporary name. Others may also have suggested it, but it was his post that I noticed. Be sure to thank him if you see him on IRC.)
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| '''To everyone involved... THANK YOU!'''
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| We are building a news site alternative to Slashdot. We have started only a few days ago, and this wiki is a temporary measure so that volunteers can coordinate and others can see what's happening.
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| The idea is to build a news aggregation site that delivers what's important - better articles, less fluff, and all the functionality you expect from the moderation system. We are still looking for volunteers so stop by the boards and the IRC and let us know you want to help!
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| * The proposed business model is [[Finances|here]] <br>
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| * Some business planning is [[Business|here]] <br>
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| * A statement of functionality (turn into a requirements document?)--- [[FeatureList]]
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| ''' Get Involved '''
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| '''Hop in to IRC!''' - [[AltSlashdot:IRC|IRC]]: ##altslashdot on chat.freenode.net ([https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=##altslashdot Webchat])
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| '''Register on the forums''' - http://forums.SoylentNews.org
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| * Go to forums.SoylentNews.org and register a user
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| * Read [http://forums.soylentnews.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=38&sid=e55255cb6dfe68b28c8cf5f2b9697a64| this] post if you are having problems. (Thanks MrGuy)
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| * Add yourself to whichever groups you are interested in
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| '''Mumble (Voice / Text Server)''' : voice.whackperiod.org
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| '''Slashcott''' Organized boycott of the Dice-owned Slashdot pages
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| * Show your support for the "Get rid of Beta" crowd by avoiding Slashdot during the week of February 10-17
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| '''Contact:'''
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| If you want to send the project lead a message: John (at) SoylentNews (dot) org
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| ==Status==
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| Check out the [[FAQ]]
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| * Forums are available at forums.SoylentNews.org
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| * We upgraded the hosting by two tiers - this should fix the problems people were having yesterday accessing the system.
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| * The System team is working on installing SlashCode. If all goes well, we expect to have a working system by Monday. Everyone believes this goal is achievable.
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| * The site now has forums with four user groups: Code, Content, Style, and System.
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| * Probably won't be non-profit, see [[Finances|business model]].
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| * We won't poach from Slashdot. This includes articles and logos, also "style" to a reasonable extent.
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| Mailing list update Messages are [[MailingListUpdates|here]]
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| ==ToDo==
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| [[SlashcodeTodo|Slashcode Todo list]]
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| * Install SlashCode on the production site
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| * Get some people to help with the site
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| * Run a contest for a better name [[NewName|New name discussion]]
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| * Incorporate
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| * Consult a lawyer
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| * How to handle Advertising (necessary evil) - Opt Out, Limited, Typical(box with ads in the top-right corner)?
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| * Improved Mod/Meta-Mod/Story-Selection system to minimize required editor input
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| * Provide a voting system to decide which articles hit the main page (Mod point related?)
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| * Find and submit some stories
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| == List of Discussion Pages ==
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| *[[NewName|NewName]]
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| *[[Finances|Finances]] -- which model would allow to minimise and/or distribute hosting costs
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| *[[Business|Business]]
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| *[[Monetization]] - Duscussion on how to cover costs to make this thing happen (and grow)
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| *[[FeatureList]] - Discussion of required/desired characteristics
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| *[[Submission guidelines|Submission guidelines]]
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| *[[Content]]
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| *[[Style]]
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| *[[Migration of users from Slashdot]] (if we build it, they will come)
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| * I've picked up the domain altslash.org, and I'm looking to be a part of a join effort to create a slashdot alternative more in the style of the classic slashdot system. I picked up this domain simply because a lot of the alternatives being discussed (e.g., altslashdot.org) may end up being the target of a trademark dispute. The "trademark" for altslash.org would be altslash, with the "dot.org" being merged into .org. It reads the same way as the original "slashdot.org," but looks very clean in my opinion.
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| * Have you considered talking with Bruce Parens? He had a site called "technocrat.net" that some people from slashdot were quite fond of not too long ago. It seems some people on slashdot are already trying to get him to re-launch it. I don't know if the two of you would have compatible goals or not, but it might be worth sending him an email. He has a parking page up on technocrat.net right now that has his email address on it.
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| * I'm a professional web developer and can help. I was about to register a domain on my VPS to start something like this. If you want, I'll do what I can to help. I've built a few CMS from scratch and am downloading slashcode right now. Incidentally I'm a hybrid as I am also a digital artist (namely in UI). We need an IRC channel to talk about this I think.--[[User:Hedgie|Hedgie]] ([[User talk:Hedgie|talk]]) 18:34, 6 February 2014 (MST)
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| * I don't know about other people, but I think I would be more liable to stick with an alternative if it scraped content from original /. in addition to whatever else you do. [[Special:Contributions/173.13.21.65|173.13.21.65]] 09:21, 6 February 2014 (MST)
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| ''I'm against this. I don't consider it fair - they've put a lot of effort into building up their brand and community. If we are to succeed, we need to do it on our own merits."
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| There are no doubt legal as well as moral objections to content scraping, but when you say "...they've put a lot of effort into building up their brand and community...", well, for over 15 years *we* have been that community and if not for us there would be some former college students who used to have a little hobby site.--unitron
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| ** Scraping bad. Having editors dotted around the timezones that create their own better versions of the summaries, even if they contain just the same links as the /. story that inspired them, not bad. [[User:FatPhil|FatPhil]] ([[User talk:FatPhil|talk]]) 14:14, 6 February 2014 (MST)
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| ** Agree with scraping bad. The general trend for the summaries has gone downhill badly over the past few years so better to have editors (re-)publish articles even if they use the same (or better) links ([[User:Qwade|Qwade]])
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| ** Scraping Slashdot is pointless. It's been said many times, the discussion is the thing, not the articles. Considered purely as a news site, Slashdot is CRAP, always has been. Speaking of discussion, a Wiki is about the worst discussion medium I can imagine - is there anywhere we can move this to? - Mike Baranczak, 2014-02-07
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| * Maybe a wiki is the best way to do this? I see you've started with slashcode, but that might be a misstep. You have noticed by now that slashcode hasn't been updated in many years, hence it will be way behind the current slashdot. I think you might be better off hacking a wiki into slashdot-style functionality.
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| ''I agree, this may be a misstep (and this occurred to me independently of your note). My best guess is to attempt installing slashcode and see where that goes, and try for a new system if it's unworkable. We'll see.''
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| :* I think hacking slashcode into slashdot-style functionality would be easier and better than hammering a wiki into that round hole. [[User:Mfnickster|Mfnickster]] ([[User talk:Mfnickster|talk]])
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| **[[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikinews]] is Wikimedia's attempt to turn a wiki in to a news site. Not sure how easy that would be to mold in to a more Slashdotty site
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| * If you don't want to use the old slashcode, have you considered looking at '''discourse''' as the site server? AFAICT, it's a reasonably new project which being developed intended to address the authors' perceived flaws in the status-quo of forum software. It's written in JavaScript, but it might serve as a starting point for a new codebase, or worth a look to get some inspiration:
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| * '''Do this as a non-profit, user-run organization please'''. From what you write it looks like you want replace the regime, not giving the users the control over the website. Why should we trust you not to sell the website to a DICE-like company after it becomes successful? I applaud your efforts to change things, but I really believe that a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Organization Debian Project] like institution that is both non-commercial and controlled/run by the community has a much higher chance of securing the goals we fight for right now in the long-term. --[[Special:Contributions/141.84.69.20|141.84.69.20]] 03:20, 6 February 2014 (MST)
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| * I like the comment on a Debian like project organization, also, maybe we can create a freenode IRC channel to further organize?
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| '''UPDATE:''' ''My proposed [[Finances|business plan]] should allay these fears.''
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| ''You make some good points.''
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| ''In my experience, community-driven projects don't usually do well. This is not to say that no such projects succeed, but the balance of probability does not favor group management.''
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| ''There is a wide selection of projects which are successful because one person had a vision and the drive to make that vision happen - every successful business starts this way.''
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| ''I've run businesses that use a lot of volunteer help, so I've got some experience there.''
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| ''As far as selling the website, it's crossed my mind. I don't want to "sell out" and destroy the community, but it would be nice to have an "exit strategy". Commenting on Slashdot fun, but doing it as a day job will probably get tedious.''
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| ''I don't know what the answer is - it's something that we'll have to work out.''
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| * (I put in a topic with a suggestion on the discussion page so this doesn't get too cluttered. ~ElectricTurtle)
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| * Additional points: Make the whole website (including stories/comments) available under [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ CC-BY-SA] to retain the [http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/RightToFork right to fork]. You should also reconsider the name. I imagine "AltSlashdot" could get you into all sorts of legal trouble, since it is very close to the "Slashdot" trademark. --[[Special:Contributions/141.84.69.20|141.84.69.20]] 03:20, 6 February 2014 (MST)
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| * Attempt to '''coordinate and combine''' the parallel efforts. E.g. Slashdot user [http://slashdot.org/~dotancohen dotancohen] has [http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4757151&cid=46171009 apparently] registered the domain "slashdotan" and is looking to build a new Slashdot there. There are probably a dozen people hacking away separately on similar efforts. Competition is probably good, but combining efforts should be considered. --Slashdot user [http://slashdot.org/~JustinOpinion JustinOpinion].
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| * [https://github.com/digilord DigiLord] - I would like to help
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| * I'm the dotancohen mentioned by JustinOpinion. I have some limited experience with Amazon Web Services to run cloud servers for sites with very dynamic load profiles. Altslashdot seems like the perfect application of that technology, as we can expect to get slashdotted at any time. I also agree that we should coordinate efforts, as the whole premise is to keep the /. community together. [[User:Dotancohen|Dotancohen]] ([[User talk:Dotancohen|talk]]) 08:38, 6 February 2014 (MST)
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| * Re: combining efforts. User somenickname (1270442) has registered bangslashdot.(org|net|com) [[http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4757113&cid=46169131]]
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| * I ([[User:Bryan|Bryan]]) also plan on making a slashdot-inspired site. The website will be called "Pipedot" and be reachable at [http://pipedot.org/ pipedot.org] or [http://pipedot.com/ pipedot.com]. The motto will be "News for nerds, without the corporate slant." Get it? A pipe character looks like a slash without the slant! However, I plan on creating my own software instead of using slashcode/mediawiki/etc so it may take a while to get feature complete with slashdot classsic. (Why? Because I've always wanted to scratch that itch. Duh!)
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| * I think it would be best to just go over to Usenet. It is distributed, uncensorable, scales extremely well, the infrastructure is already in place, and it works. No Javascript, no business models, nothing but pure text-mode comment goodness. [http://www.eternal-september.org Eternal September] is free and works well, but does not allow binaries. That's fine, we have magnet links these days. EDIT: comp.misc is the new Slashdot. It's official now. Join us there and keep it free as in FREEDOM!
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| * relevant slashdot stats from 2011 [[http://www.dbasoul.com/2011/992.html]]
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| **5.5 million user visits per month.
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| **7,000 comments are added every day.
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| **Over 9 million pages views daily.
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| **Over 21 million comments.
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| **Average monthly bandwidth usage is around 40-50 mbit/sec (450GB/day)
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| * I suggest that when updates to the code are made, it should be in the charter (or whatever we are calling it) to make that code public. -- CommonJoe
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| ::* See [[SoylentNews#Licensing.3F|my questions about licensing below]]. The AGPL would guarantee that the code remain public... anyone actually working with the new site/codebase want to weigh in? ~ [[User:Seandiggity|Seandiggity]] ([[User talk:Seandiggity|talk]]) 07:56, 10 February 2014 (MST)
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| == IRC ==
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| General Slashdot Discussion: Come on IRC channel #slashdot at irc.slashnet.org. Or use the web client: http://www.slashnet.org/webclient
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| AltSlashdot Discussion: Head to IRC channel ##AltSlashdot on irc.freenode.net, Web client is here: https://webchat.freenode.net/
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| === Stories from former Slashdot users ===
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| [[Confessions of an Ex-Slashdot Beta User]]
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| [[Banned from Slashdot]]
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| [[Dice is killing Slashdot]]
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| == An interesting Idea ==
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| Check this out while it's still available. feedback appreciated
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| * http://slashdot.org/submission/3324011/a-modest-proposal-re-beta-vs-classic?utm_source=rss1.0&utm_medium=feed&sbsrc=firehose
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| == Telling the world about SoylentNews.org ==
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| *I don't know what John wants as far as advertising this page but I'm sure he wants as much exposure as possible.
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| *Please mention SolentNews.org as much as possible.
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| *It seems like the word is spreading (over 25,000 in 5 days) Good job everyone!
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| **Any idea on how and where to make sure people know about this project, please post them here?
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| :::I'd send a note along to Ars Technica & BoingBoing. (That would get some attention)<br>
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| :::Anyone have a Reddit account with a reasonable activity level?<br>
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| :::The Register, Digg, Hacker News and anything else you feel would help get the word out there
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| * Contacted:
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| ** The Register
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| ::: No word back
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| ** Ars Technica
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| ::: Was passed along to one of the writers
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| ** Hacker News
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| ::: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7193251 Submission from when AltSlashdot just started]
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| ::: Due for an update once we get an actual site up and running
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| :::: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7209927 Similar thread from today] [[User:Yahwotqa|Yahwotqa]] ([[User talk:Yahwotqa|talk]]) 10:05, 10 February 2014 (MST)
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| Apologies for the repost, but this got buried in a talk page and I think we need to start discussing licensing beyond just the term "open-source".
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| If no one's said it yet, I think we need to move the updated version of Slash to AGPL and get it in a git repo for people to hack on (preferably github). First step in seeing if that's possible is finding out if it's GPLv2+ (i.e. with something like the phrase "or any later version"). Then you go GPLv3 --> AGPL.
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| Case for the AGPL: It's recommended by the FSF for any Web software, or really any that runs primarily over a network. In my view, it will protect us from seeing the fruit of our labors turn into another locked up DiceDot... how nice would it have been to have at least the updated "Slashdot Classic" interface available now to hack on instead of the circa 2009 version? The AGPL would have made that possible by requiring the release of modifications to Slash.
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| Regardless of whether the forked version of Slash goes AGPL, we should still have a clear idea what the license will be. It may require the consent of the original authors to move to a license besides GPLv2 (Rob Malda, Jonathon Pater, Patrick Galbraith, Chris Nandor, Brian Aker, Cliff Wood, Jamie McCarthy), and being stuck forever on GPLv2 would be a shame.
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| Whether or not the project is going to have a CLA that assigns copyright to some organization, or specifies some other terms, is another question that needs community discussion.
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| Keep up the great work everyone, very glad to see this materializing! ~ [[User:Seandiggity|Seandiggity]] ([[User talk:Seandiggity|talk]]) 12:36, 9 February 2014 (MST)
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| Database license? To maintain good will, the database should be able to be forked onto new sites if SoylentNews has any sign of going corporate (maybe a bit scrubbed).
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